Rose Choreographic School | Sadlers Wells - þ thorns þ Podcast: Andrea Božić, Julia Willms and Victoria Pérez Royo
Rose Choreographic School | Sadlers Wells - þ thorns þ Podcast: Andrea Božić, Julia Willms and Victoria Pérez Royo
17.12.2025 / þ thorns þ
Episode Sixteen: Andrea Božić, Julia Willms and Victoria Pérez Royo
Rose Choreographic School | Sadlers Wells
We are very happy to be part of the þ thorns þ podcast series Dreaming Communities. The series is curated by Victoria Pérez Royo and hosts invited artists who work with ‘dreaming substance.’ Here the adjective “dreaming” does not refer solely to nighttime sleep, but serves as an umbrella term for a whole series of images that have been conceived in a fragmentary and scattered way in various disciplines and practices: memories, anticipations, daydreams and night dreams, ghosts and specters, visions, and hallucinations, among others.
This episode is a conversation between Victoria Pérez Royo, curator of the series, choreographer and artist Andrea Božić and visual artist Julia Willms. They discuss research on dreams, dream logic, and the immersive virtual environments that dreams create. Andrea and Julia have collaborated since 2003, making interdisciplinary works that reorganise space, attention and perception, exploring how spectatorship, imagination, and spectacle are intertwined and embodied.
Together, they explore the nature and practice of capturing and interpreting dreams. They discuss research on dreams, dream logic, and the immersive virtual environments that dreams create.
Read HERE a text about the Dreaming Communities series, written by Victoria Perez Royo
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To the Glossary Andrea donates Specufiction and Transduction
Julia donates Dream Mapping and Malleability
Victoria donates Dreaming Substance and Somatic Dreaming
Find out more about Andrea, Julia and Victoria on our People page.
This series is produced and edited by Hester Cant. The series is curated by Victoria Pérez Royo with additional concept and direction by Martin Hargreaves and Izzy Galbraith.
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About the podcast series by Rose Choreographic School | Sadlers Wells London
We propose a postdisciplinary approach to the question of the choreographic and engage with artists from all practices and inclinations for whom the concept of the choreographic is a central concern. Our podcast series þ thorns þ, which can be found on our Publications page, invites a wider community of artists to speculate on pedagogy and the choreographic.
You can listen wherever you access your podcasts, or through this website, where we host a transcript and links to resources mentioned.